Because it isn’t about human rights at all. There is no human right to help yourself to the wealth of your neighbor. This nation is wealthy because the citizens of this nation have built a system that is conducive to the creation of wealth.
The illegals, and the citizens of Mexico who actully do have the national pride to remain in their country, have every right, however, to change their system to make it more friendly toward wealth creation. That means the rule of law, an independent judiciary, an end to corruption, respect for individual rights, a strong system of property rights, and express limits on government power. Until they realize that, and implement those elements of good government, they will remain poor. They have so right, however, to take from others what they are not willing to make for themselves.
Justme: That’s what revolutions are for. It worked wonders for us.
Bridget: Being human doesn’t resolve root causes. Sure, it’s great to put water in the desert, squirrel illegals away in strip-mall churches, and hand out free food, but does that ever address the root cause? No, that only prolongs it and makes it more entrenched. Alleviating the effects of the problems in Mexico only does a greater disservice to those still there. Humanitarianism is great, but blindly committed, it can be more harmful than good. Just look at the negative effect that indiscriminate “aid” has had on the development of Africa.
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The citizens there have no rights, they have no power to do better for themselves, there is no just government there. it is a human rights issue. I think you need more research on the topic.
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Well, only in the US of A, can you do this! Look at your own laws.
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You should consider running for public office. Seriously. You said it ALL!
Wine Gifts
its an attempt to guilt trip law abiding citizens so they can further their social engineering agenda
Cycling Socks
I believe that we as human beings see an issue, but we must start by first being human.
In other words, these people still have a right to live (even if not here).
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You got it right. The ones supporting illegal immigrants are trying to twist the perception of the issue (the most glaring and ridiculous strategy is equating “immigrants” with “illegal immigrants” and making Americans feel that if they are against illegals they are against all immigrants.) IMO illegal immigration it’s a law and order issue pure and simple. The immigration laws are there for a reason: to protect our citizens and resources. Anyone who violates them is a lawbreaker. And anyone who forges documents and steals SSN’s is a bona fide criminal who should be thrown in jail and deported.
In a perfect world we could throw open the borders, support everyone who comes here, suffer no increase in crime, no overpopulation, no stress on the environment, no economic woes. But that is not the case in the real world.
Women Hormone
You spoke wisely.
In addition, it is called a ‘human rights’ issue by Leftists pushing to build a power base of illegal immigrants. It is simple use of language to dissuade reasonable argument. After all, you can’t argue against someone’s ‘human rights’.
Leftists are masters of use of language to their advantage. They will redefine as needed to manipulate the conversation. Orwell warned of this.
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People will use any argument they can think of in an attempt to justify something that has no legal justification.
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Why stay in their own country and fight for the same rights WE fought for here in the USA when they can slither across our borders and just reap the rewards here also? They don’t have the guts to fight in their own country. You have to fight and expect to die for your rights and freedoms in order to make life better for your future generations. Our fathers and theirs before fought for us and illegal immigrants have no right coming here and reaping the rewards of their bravery.
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You make some thoughtful arguments….I appreciate that….
Its not that cut and dry….Mexico is really more of a socialist country…It is not a free democracy, as it is here….The poor are truly powerless and with no voice…The country is run by elites and it is rather simplistic to think poor indigent Mexicans can change their country and make a difference….Believe me, they do have national pride, but no representation….The only way for change is through a revolution or civil war….Mexicans by nature are pacifists…Its a vicious cycle they have no control over….
Mexicans are not coming here, to take your wealth….They are coming to better their lives and not at the expense of your wealth….They do come from a third world country….They are our neighbors, and we don’t owe them anything, of course, but is it humane to turn these people away because they are not legal, and mostly come here for a better life? Many come here and build homes, farm, cleaning, landscaping, etc etc etc….Why do you think they are out to take your wealth? Illegals have been coming for generations and have also helped build this country…
For me it is not so cut and dry….If these people were legalized and required to pay into social security would that make you happy? Isn’t that waht you want for them to pay their way here?
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The civil war did work for us but Mexico is much more complicated..
The U.S started Fresh, with no previous rule from another country..
Mexico was ruled by Spain and France… the Independence wars were costly for Mexico…
Mexico was also dictated by the harsh Porfirio Diaz, poverty increase when he ruled…
Mexico does not need a revolution. When Fox was in power, the economy went up …
They just need to industrialize more and toughen up on crime….
Many drug-dealers are making prices go up while workers make the same amount of money…. That’s when they turn North…
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You spit out the word illegal like you never did anything illegal in your life.
You spit out the word illegal like anyone for any reason is pure waste if they do anything illegal.
You sound like you think that 99.9 percent of all Americans, most of them in Texas probably, are god loving, bible thumping and go to church everyday of their lives and they never tell a lie or do the slightest thing illegal.
You forget to include in your thoughtful charges against a general group of people, that our Army loves them to enlist and rewards them with citizenship when the have completed their first enlistment. Are they illegal, nasty, godless and born of unclean mothers when they are serving in the Army in Iraq during their first hitch?
Well, Bush was illegal when he failed to report for six months, and during War Time, and we know why he wasn’t disciplined don’t we!
But he was, how do you say it with your lip curled up and spitting the word out that “Bush was a horrible Illegal and should never have been a President at all for his behavior!!!!! I totally agree with you on this one.
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The way you state it, you sound like our “neighbors” are freeloaders. While yes, some are, it is not restricted to just illegal immigrants. A good percentage of people (yes, citizens included) are taking advantage of it. Yet we don’t even focus on our own citizens, we focus on the others. Many of those whom are actually hard working and trying to indeed help themselves, not by living off the wealth in this country, but by actually working hard. If you argue, “well they can work hard in their OWN country”, the truth of the matter is, many who come here illegally can’t. I am against illegal immigration, however, I do believe in my religion over the law, which would want me to treat these people with respect. While illegal immigration should be simply (its wrong), its not and I think a big factor in that is because they are treated like they are not even human! That is what has made this into a human rights issue.
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Well stated. Think about this: if President Bush’s plan to legalize the illegal immigrants passes, when they become American citizens, who will pick the chile for $.70 a bushel? who will pick onions? who will work in the feed yards and meat packers? If the plan passes as proposed, we will be back where we are now, and where we were 20 years ago when President Reagan did something similar. Does anyone else see a pattern here? Yes, conditions in Mexico are horrible, and yes, those conditions need to change, but if the current rate of illegal immigration continues, we will not be able to bear it economically. We have plenty of AMERICANS here who are unable to support themselves and use the social programs in place. We do not have the resources to support everyone who wishes to come to the US. This is not a race issue, it is an issue of not abiding by the law.
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Your question is convoluted and as~ backwards!
It is the rich in America making tons of money off their backs! Why don’t you want to go after them? They are violating the law!!
Quite blaming the Mexicans! They are the pawns! Moreover, they are like any other person, they do what they have to to live and feed their families!
Isn’t this just a great Republican Quote??? “. “We’ve got to develop immigration programs that fit the industry,” he said.”
We’ve got to make IMMIGRATION FIT INDUSTRY!!! Got to have those willing to work for $6,000 a year!!! You guys talk out of both sides of your mouth!
Be careful, you paleoRepublicans may get what you ask for!!
Labor shortage could mean crisis for ag
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DAVIS – Growers and farm labor contractors are scrambling to find enough workers to harvest their crops this fall and some say the worker shortage is escalating to crisis proportions.
Western Growers, the agricultural trade association that represents growers, packers and shippers of fresh fruits and vegetables in California and Arizona, is asking government officials to recognize the labor crisis.
Western Growers estimates that in the Central Valley alone, there is a shortage of about 70,000 farmworkers.
“It’s quickly reaching a crisis level and it’s possibly already done so,” said Tim Chelling, a spokesman for the industry group.
Chelling said growers are likely to lack the field workers needed to harvest some of the fall and winter crops in California. If crops are left in the field, an economic crisis will likely follow, he said.
Western Growers is appealing to the Department of Homeland Security and state governments in California and Arizona to help provide a stable work force for agriculture, while still securing the nation’s borders.
“The time to act has now arrived,” said Tom Nassif, president of Western Growers. “We are not asking for action to resolve the nation’s overall immigration crisis in the next couple of weeks. We know that’s simply not possible and completely unrealistic. We are asking for officials to acknowledge this labor crisis in agriculture and provide immediate remedies so that farmers, consumers and state economies don’t suffer what amounts to completely avoidable economic damage.”
There are many reasons why California doesn’t have the number of workers it has in the past, said Luawanna Halstrom, general manager and chief operating officer of Harry Singh and Sons, a company that produces vine-ripened tomatoes near San Diego.
Tighter border control and random raids have reduced the number of workers crossing the borders. The construction business is booming in California, pulling workers away from agriculture and into higher-paying jobs. Mexican workers are also opting to work in Canada under that country’s guest worker program.
“Agriculture is crying out for a legal means to hire labor,” said Halstrom, who also serves on the labor committee for the American Farm Bureau Federation. “That’s what we need. We’ve never been in more dire straits.”
Earlier this year, federal lawmakers introduced the Agricultural Job Opportunity, Benefits, and Security Act of 2005, better known as the AgJOBS Bill, which could provide farmers a stable workforce.
While the bill is widely supported by agriculture, a similar piece of legislation failed last year due to lack of support from President George W. Bush and the Republican leadership.
The only way Halstrom says she has been able to find a consistent seasonal workforce for her business is by relying on outdated immigration policies and providing housing for employees.
“It is extremely difficult,” she said. “It has affected our ability to farm the way we normally would. It has cost us.”
Right now, the labor shortage is impacting the Central Valley’s raisin industry, where thousands of acres are waiting to be harvested.
The Nisei Farmer’s League has been trying to find labor anywhere it can to help farmers – even considering using parolees, a plan that didn’t work.
Nisei has also appealed for help from the Employment Development Department offices in the Central Valley, but so far the state agency has only been able to call up the names of several thousand unemployed workers who might be able to work in the agricultural industry.
“We just can’t get the crops harvested,” said Manuel Cunha, president of the Fresno-based group. “We’ve got to develop immigration programs that fit the industry,” he said.
Halstrom said the current labor shortage reminds her of the days following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center.
Nearly 75 percent of her workforce didn’t pass detailed checks following the attacks. Although the company immediately looked into utilizing the existing federal guest worker program, which many say doesn’t suit agriculture’s needs, it took 45 days to get enough workers to continue harvesting their perishable commodity.
“And then when (the workers) got here, it took them two weeks just to clear out the rotten fruit,” Halstrom said. “We lost $2.5 million in a 45-day period. It was absolutely devastating.”
Halstrom hopes politicians will hear agriculture’s call for help.
“I think this country needs to understand that a critical element of its national security is to have a safe and reliable food source,” she said. “If there’s an interruption (in our food supply), the country has basically a seven-day supply of food.”
That’s reason enough not to continue sweeping the immigration problem under the carpet, she said.
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I think it turns into a human rights issue for various reasons:
1)Some people are against any immigration, period. Or perhaps just against Mexican or Latino immigration. Listen to many of the arguments against illegals, and the person is (unintentionally, sometimes) arguing against legal immigration, too.
2)Illegal aliens residing here are obviously going to spin the issue to give them the best possible chance of improving their cause.
3)Many illegals mistakenly (but also sometimes correctly) assume that Americans fight against them only out of racism or bigotry, and they therefore see this as an issue of human rights.
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They have no other argument and are grasping at straws.
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your right its not, its a legal issue, they are committing a crime that they should be punished for, they have no rights because they aren’t American citizens, only American citizens have rights in America. of course they do have a few basic human rights but they are ones that everyone should have no matter where they are. its so ridiculous! i don’t understand how someone could support what they are doing!
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Illegal immigration is worst for a any nation, hence Queen of England proclaimed those who are employing illegal immigrants in their firm they will be fined upto 2000 Pounds like that. Stingent meaassures may reduce the level of impact.